Reddit热议TheShy直播言论：果然是大乱斗选手；期待与Khan对决

视频贴有Jrs放了，原帖：https://bbs.hupu.com/31416845.html

TheShy chat on a kr streamer on twitch and had some interesting views. Also the stream was hilarious. I thought TheShy would be quiet and serious but he's very talkative. Here are some translations.

TheShy和一个韩国主播直播聊天，说了一些有意思的话题。直播很有意思。我以为TheShy是那种很安静严肃的人，但实际上他很健谈。以下是部分谈话的翻译（未经允许禁止转载，搬运截图）：

Q: how did you become so popular in china? Ex)beating uzi in lpl allstar votes Isn't it hard for a foreigner to gain such popularity?

Q:你是怎么做到在中国这么受欢迎的啊？lpl全明星投票比uzi还猛啊，而且你还是个外国人。

A: I think it would have been impossible in kr. But in china i think people care less unless you do something chinese won't like.

A:在韩国不太可能，但是在中国你只要别做大家都讨厌的事情，人们一般不太在乎其他事情的。

Q: On what level do you think LCK is in ( its common in kr to refer the lck as the 3rd division league after lpl and lec)

Q:你现在认为LCK是什么水平（韩国国内普遍认为是继LPL和LEC之后的第三赛区）？

A: I still think the lck is still the best league but the results are not showing internationally because of the coach/player relations that make it hard for players to speak out and makes teams slower to adapt and change. Players are always better then coaches when it comes to gaming and if they can't talk its hard for the team. (then he compliments coach mafa and kim(dwg coach))

A:我还是认为LCK是第一赛区。只是由于教练和选手们之间的关系，选手们不敢畅所欲言，队伍的适应能力下降，不能很好地应对变化，这些都使得LCK在国际赛事上表现的不是很好。当一局比赛开始后，选手们就比教练更重要了。（他称赞了Mafa教练和金晶洙教练）

Q: who do you think is the best 3 toplaner except you?

Q:除了你之外，再说3个最强上单

A: I don't think there are 3 best toplaners. Also I wouldn't say i'm the best aswell. I think the most ideal or best toplaner would be khan. I think toplane is the hardest role in league. Champions are different from one another and each has different roles. But many toplaners can't stand the difference and not play champs like ornn or sion. you have to be able to play weak side aswell as strong side there are different plays to make in different situations(when your jungler is losing when team is losing etc) so it makes toplane the hardest role. I played other lanes in soloq like mid and adc and hit challengers on both all toplaners are capable of doing this. Also when I meet deft as the opponent when playing adc it was very hard. He does the same thing to me what i do to other toplaners like hitting the opponent twice while being hit once etc. Deft is the only adc I couldn't beat. Adc is the most fun to play, mid is the most important lane and jg is the easiest. Support is not worth playing.

A:我不认为有3个最强上单，当然我也不是说我是第一上单。我觉得最理想或者是最强的上单选手应该是Khan。个人认为上单位在LOL里是最难的位置。每个英雄的定位都不一样，但很多上单选手不能很好地分辨出它们的不同之处，也不会去玩奥恩或者塞恩这种英雄。因为每局游戏的不同策略，不同战术，弱势和强势英雄都需要会玩（比如打野崩了或者其他路崩了），这都是上路是最难的位置的原因。单排里我也玩其他位置，像中单或者ad并且都上过王者，这些其他上单选手也可以做到。对了，我打ad时碰到Deft就贼难打。他欺负我就跟我欺负其他上单选手一样，总是能多打我一下。Deft是唯一一个我赢不了的ad。Ad玩起来还挺有意思的，中单很重要，打野有手就行，辅助这个位置嘛，配不上我

Q: are you playing league now(resting)

Q:休息的时候还在打游戏吗？

A: mostly aram. Aram is much better then rift.

A:基本上都是大乱斗，大乱斗比峡谷好玩一百倍

Q:do you mean to become a coach in the future?

Q:有想过以后当个教练之类的吗？

A: nope i want to become a youtuber. But i do have a desire to cultivate good toplaners so maybe? Nah i think i would be too frustrated. I think coaches should be as good as players. Maybe not as good in mechanics but at least able to understand plays on a pro level. I think dopa should be coach I love dopa (the shy used to live with dopa)

A:没有，我想当一个up主。但我也想培养一个贼叼的上单选手，所以也不是不可能？算了，我觉得我太垃圾了。我认为教练应该和选手一样优秀，或许没有那么秀的操作，但是至少要能在职业层面上去理解游戏。我觉得Dopa可以去当教练的，我爱Dopa哥（TheShy以前和Dopa住在一起）。

[-]imhavingSoMuchFun3

Aram confirmed best mode

最棒模式：大乱斗

[-]boibig1

A man of culture i see

果然是文化人呢

[-]PetriNevski

Aram is the reason why have 60% winrate on all modes lol. It males your mechanics way better and your champion pool gets huge. I have more than 50 champs in rank 5 just from Aram. I really recommend it for anyone

2333，大乱斗60胜率的原因找到了。这模式更加考验你的操作，而且还能增加英雄池。光玩大乱斗我都有50多个英雄到5级成就了。推荐大家多玩玩大乱斗。

[-]Rsungheej

This guy is hilarious. He takes pilates, piano, and singing lessons because he wants to better himself and not just play League all day. Also TheShy is exempt from military service because of his injuries which is pretty interesting. He also said he donated 100k to charity and thinks that luck played a significant part in getting to where he is today. Also said he doesn't want to date until he retires.

这B贼有意思。他健身，弹钢琴还有参加声乐课，他想的是提升自己而不是整天玩LOL。对了，TheShy也免除兵役了因为之前受伤。他还提到了捐了10万美元给慈善组织。觉得自己是凭借好运才走到今天。还说了退役前不考虑约会（回收失恋女粉）。

[-]shurimalonelybird

what injuries

受啥伤了

[-]rsungheej

He doesn’t specify but he says he almost died and I can’t tell if he’s being hyperbolic but it was his hand injury. It must have been serious enough if he got an exemption from the military service.

他没细说只是说差点挂了，应该是夸张了一下，是之前的手伤。要是被免除兵役的话说明这个伤应该挺严重的。

[-]purpleturtle6

In 2018 spring, TheShy and one of IG's manager went out for a drink and he supposedly broke his wrist/arm. Surgery was performed and it took him a while to recover (that's the main reason we saw lots of Duke last year). If you look at his interview videos, you probably could see a very noticable scar around his wrist.

2018年春季赛的时候，TheShy和iG管理层的一个人出去喝酒结果把手腕/胳膊喝断了。然后动了手术，用了一段时间恢复（这也是为什么去年能经常看到Duke）。你看他的采访，一个能在手腕处看到一个挺明显的伤疤。

One of the rumors from CN community is that the reason of his exemption is that he cannot lift heavyweights due to the said injury.

中国那边有传言说免除兵役是因为受伤他举不了重物。

[-]Ace_OPB

If he got exempted from military, it must be something serious. Korea doesn't fuck around military shit unless you are politically connected.

要是因为受伤都免除兵役了说明受伤确实挺严重的。在韩国要是你没点人脉，参加兵役基本上跑不了。

[-]Alpha_Cloud

exempt from being in the actual military where he doesn't even have to do an office job? I thought when you have injuries you just do an office job like what lots of celebrities do?

受伤了可不可以不下连队，只做以下办公室的工作呢？我还以为受伤了可以像其他明星一样只做些简单的办公室工作。

[-]rsungheej

He said the word “면제” which means exemption. Injuries that are serious enough exempt you from the military. The office job isn’t for just celebrities and doesn’t have anything to do with injuries either.

原话说的是“면제”，意思是免除，说明受伤的确很严重足以免除兵役。办公室的工作和是不是名人没关系，当然和你受没受伤也没关系。

[-]TaxiCabreros

Support is not worth playing

Oof,On a side note, ARAM is the best.

不屑玩辅助

哦吼吼，意思是大乱斗第一嗷

[-]MorieHiroshi

Watch a clip of Theshy played support as Xerath. Oooff he playing support is basically Toplane shifted to bot

看了一个TheShy玩辅助泽拉斯的录像，这泽拉斯玩的就离谱，一个辅助打的像上单。

[-]ctoan8

Lmao I watched that clip. He was 10/0/6 as Xerath support and enemy team surrendered after 20-something minutes. He took teleport, had a few kills early, his ADC Jhin left him and went mid for farm, so he casually 1v2 in the bot lane then got double kill. It was fucking hilarious.（B站链接：TheShy 10/0 MVP泽拉斯辅助）

我看了那个录像。一个辅助泽拉斯10/0/6，最后对面20了。辅助带个TP，前面拿了几个头，然后AD烬就跑到中路发育去了，这个人在下路1v2拿了个双杀，就nm离谱。

[-]PartiallyClueless

I can already hear jungle mains typing furiously lmao

我好像已经听到打野口吐芬芳了

[-]monkeysfromjupiter

welp THE top laner has said it. easiest role in game. to all the jg streamers out there who whine about how jg is ruined and hard, checkmate.

第一上单都说了，打野有手就行。丝毫不给那些说打野贼难的主播的面子。

[-]nothingmatterstho

I mean, jungling is about macro, so any pro player should be able to jg easily imo

我觉得打野更注重宏观方面，所以职业选手应该都能打野。

[-]vicktoriously

i mean lane difference does create jungle difference, if you have a winning lane and play around it you will win

我觉得是线上的差距造成了野区的差距，你们这边哪条线上有个爹帮他就能赢。

[-]ctoan8

Oh yeah I'm reading this and he revealed lots of interesting things.

我大概看了一下，他说了点有意思的事

* IG's loss to FPX hit him really hard. "It was my fault, really. If I had played better, we would have won the championship. I believed so. [...] I felt really bad for about 4 days. I even thought that maybe I should just retire. Of course it wouldn't work, it was just a heated thought."

iG输给FPX确实让自己自闭了。“我的锅，真的，要是我玩的再好点我们能拿冠军的，我真这样觉得……自闭了大概4天吧，我都想是不是该退役了。还好没真这么做，只是一时头脑发热。”

* This year there were lots of internal problems, compared to 2018 in which IG's team atmosphere was very good.

2018年队伍氛围真的挺好的，但今年有很多内部问题。

* The injury on his right hand was really serious. Except for playing League, he mostly uses his left hand for daily tasks that require strength. It was lucky that right hand is just for mouse clicks, if it were his left hand, playing League would be much harder.

右手的伤还是很严重的。除了玩LOL，在生活中稍微需要使劲的事他都用左手。还好右手只需要点点鼠标，要是左手受伤的话估计就难了。

* Changes in IG lineup have all been made public. "[...] Bot lane is VG duo. I don't know them, but Rookie said they played very well. I had a look and thought they played well. I heard that in VG, only the bot lane did well. Although I haven't met them yet, they're my teammates now, so I want to like them."

iG的换人都是公开的……下路是VG的下路双人组。我不认识他们，但是Rookie说他们打的挺好的，我看了一眼他们玩的确实不错。我听说VG只有下路打的还行。虽然以前不认识他们，但现在既然都是队友了，我希望自己可以喜欢他们，

* (referring to JKL leaving) He likes JKL and he thinks he can be too emotionally invested in his team, but he is rational and when someone is out of the team, his affection can be withdrawn quickly too.

（谈到了JKL离队）他很喜欢JKL，他认为自己是很感性的，可以对队伍投入很多感情，同时也是理性的，但有人离队时，自己也可以很快地褪去感情

* Mentioned Rookie many times, he really likes Rookie: when asked if he liked Chinese food, he said he has tried everything Rookie tried, there were some he didn't like, but Rookie likes all of them, and he likes Rookie, so he thinks they're not that bad. (loolol I fucking swear I'm not making this up. [Source](https://bbs.hupu.com/31416845-19.html).) Not in this stream, but in an interview after All Stars, he also called Rookie his "favorite player".

多次提到了Rookie，真的很喜欢Rookie：问道是否喜欢中餐时，他会尝试Rookie试过的东西，尽管有些东西自己不喜欢但Rookie很喜欢，所以他觉得那些东西也就没那么糟糕。（这不是我编的，来源：https://bbs.hupu.com/31416845.html），不只是这次直播，全明星的采访里也说到了Rookie是他最喜爱的选手。

* About LPL: "China has a home and away system and attracts lots of investment. We really like it, although it can be exhausting. We have to take a plane one day before each series and can't train on that day. It's a bit inconvenient for the players, but a very good thing for the growth of LOL. Because the scale is getting bigger and bigger, we as players should be grateful."

关于LPL：LPL那边有一套完整的体系，可以吸引很多投资。我们很感谢这些投资者，尽管做活动也很累。我们必须在比赛前坐飞机去比赛，那天也就没时间训练了，对于选手们不是很方便，但对于发展LOL是一个好事。因为这个行业越做越大了，我们作为选手也应该保持感激之情。

[-]Fox_in_spaceship

wow TheShy has an interesting persona!

TheShy真是太好辣

I'm also sad JKL won't be staying, but I think it's probably better if you really think about it. The original championship roster, despite not winning it all this year, still got to semis and looked convincingly. They are probably worth even more this year. IG is said to have some financial issues and can't afford to pay all their teammates at the market price, probably not even close, and keeping them together is probably making all the players be underpaid. JKL is also considered a top tier AD and is still very young, so he may want a new experience, like a bot oriented team, just to see what it's like.

JKL离队我也很伤心，但你仔细想想应该也不是坏事。冠军班底，尽管今年没能获胜，但好歹也是个四强，没那么差。iG据说资金链出问题了，付不起选手的市场价，要保持这套阵容就是要欠薪了。JKL现在也算第一梯队的AD了而且还这么年轻。也许他想得到更多历练，比如以下路为核心的队伍，慢慢看吧

still sad though :(

想想还是很伤心啊呜呜呜

[-]_liminal

IG.Dopa confirmed new coach

iG Dopa已连接

[-]LeafBurgerZ

An Aram player, no wonder he plays teamfights so well.

I also agree Aram is so much more fun, especially when both teams have teamfight comps as opposed to poke

大乱斗选手啊，怪不得团战这么

我也觉得大乱斗挺有意思，尤其是两边都是团战阵容

[-]lemongrazz11

Every composition is a teamfight composition if you’re a man

真男人不看阵容，只玩团战

[-]dillydadally

Just wait until you see my bruiser Lux!

让你看看我的战士拉克丝

[-]Random_Stealth_Ward

Bruiser Lux is just what bad AP Lux call themselves when they enter melee range by mistake.

ADC Lux with Frozen mallet for the easy Qs is what the bruisers Lux want to be

玩家叫自己战士拉克丝是因为不小心走到脸上放技能

AD拉克丝就是出个冰锤，放Q难躲的一

[-]MorieHiroshi

Haha this is so theshy, when other pro players rest by playing other games, he rest by playing ARAM. There are a lot of OB clips of theshy playing ARAM, he's definitely monster.

不愧是TheShy，其他选手休息的时候玩玩其他游戏，他休息玩大乱斗，有很多TheShy玩大乱斗的录播，这人是怪物。

[-]FakerBangMyWife

Interesting that he thinks Khan is the best when his weakside play isn't that good (although he does have a good sense of outplaying 1v2s, 1v1s, etc). TheShy and Khan are pretty similar in playstyle but I'd take TheShy over him any day on almost any champion. HumbleShy

我觉得他说Khan不错挺搞笑的，Khan劣势的时候表现并不好（虽然有时候1v1，1v2还行）。TheShy和Khan在风格上很像，但个人认为TheShy基本上全方位强于Khan。谦虚Shy。

And his comments on LCK being the best are interesting. Though I might be too achievements focused but the LCK didn't have this problem from 2013-17. Even when they lost all their players in 2015, they had a really dominant worlds and produced great teams since. Since last year they've done things that were unthinkable, 0-3 to NA, not making an international final since 2018 MSI, not winning an international tournament since 2017 worlds, etc.

关于LCK是第一赛区的观点也很逗。我很看重冠军，13-17年LCK并不存在这问题。即使是在15年失去了大部分韩国选手，但他们在世界赛上表现仍然足够优秀，有很多不错的战队。去年开始了令人咂舌的表现，0-3负于NA，2018MSI后再没进入国际性赛事的决赛，2017世界赛后就再没赢下国际赛事的冠军。

[-]fox_in_a_spaceship

From his wording, he believes LCKs individual players are overall better, but the coaching "culture" of the region is applied too strictly, with Kkoma and Kim being the notable exceptions. It's admittedly a small sample size of games, but some believe teams with a lot of rookie in LCK (e.g. GRF, DWG) tend to collapse under pressure more compared to LPL. The FPX coach, Warhorse, mentioned he expected this for FPX and took special measures to make sure the players were comfortable, so this might be somewhat attributable to coaching.

从他的言论来看，他相信LCK的个人选手总体上更好，但是韩国赛区整体的“教练文化”是很严肃的，像Kkoma和Kim这样的有名的教练除外，尽管是小概率，但是LCK的队伍比如GRF，DWG都是由很多新人组成的，在LPL的巨大压力下很可能会解散。FPX的教练战马，也提到了说应该在、想办法让选手们更舒适一些，某种程度上跟教练也有关系。

Going off TheShy's comment on Deft, I'm a strong believer in Deft, imo I think he and Uzi are the best adcs. Beside watching his gameplay, you can see just how games went against 2018 KT/2019 KZ. IG is typically a team that can sacrifice bottom side draft for mid/top to win the game, but 2018 KT and RNG were the only teams where they have to draft JKL a good matchup, even if it means putting TheShy on tanks, or else enemy bot would simply take over the game. G5 IG KT was a 500IQ draft from IG. I'd rate 2018 KT > RNG because of KT as a whole is a more flexible team.

说到关于Deft的话题，我还是很相信Deft，我认为他和Uzi是最好的adc。除了看操作，你可以看看18年对阵KT和19年对阵KZ的比赛。iG是那种典型的牺牲下路换取中上发育的队伍，就算TheShy玩的是个肉，或者对面下路是很容易接管比赛的英雄。IG vs KT的BO5也算得上是神仙打架。整体评价我认为2018的KT比RNG强，因为KT整体更加灵活。

[-]lemongrazz11

Many players will rate other players in their lane by how much pressure they feel in the lane when they play against them.

选手们评价其他选手时，常常通过与其他选手对线时感到多少压力。

I.e. That’s why DL will say something like Keith is better than Cody Sun, because when he scrims against Keith what he is probably focused on is how hard is it to lane against him/how hard he punishes for mistakes. But as a spectator what makes us think Cody is better than Keith is because Keith just ints the game away randomly, while Cody is an insane teamfighter.

这也是为什么大师兄说Keith（C9 AD）比孙哥强，因为训练赛对线Keith时他必须专注于对线，否则就可能因为犯错崩盘。但作为观众我们认为孙哥比Keith强因为Keith有的时候会暴毙，而孙哥是一个团战型选手。

Khan has always been an insane carry player on his champions. He’s insanely good as a strong side top laner and puts insane pressure on the enemy laner. On top of that, on SKT he was actually able to learn playing weakside. I’m interested in seeing Khan next year. I think FPX might win worlds again if everything works out. DoinB might act like BDD+ and allow Khan to go apeshit on top lane. And Khan and TheShy will probably become superpowered scrimming against each other.

Khan拿到自己的英雄时也是个爹。他是那种当自己在优势方会疯狂给予对方上单选手压力的选手。只论上路，在SKT他起码学到了抗压，看看明年Kham的发挥。要是不出什么幺蛾子的话我认为FPX会再拿一次冠军，Doinb更像是一个BDD plus，这会让Khan在上单位打的更舒服。TheShy和Khan在上路肯定会有史诗对决。

[-]hon3ystrudel

i can already hear the support mains typing their essays "sUpPoort iS tHe mOst diFfiCult rOle!!!"

我已经听到辅助说“辅助才TM难玩呢”了